Cory a friend of.mine sent this to me after I showed him the email,W0KEH in KC
He said I could forward this to the group. He ask me to share this tho...
but make sure to say that it actually comes from K6JAT. Thanks hope this helps
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From: Laurance Staples <larrystaples@...>
Date: Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 16:47
Subject: [LarrysList] The FINAL word on the California not playing well with Hams debacle...
To: larrys list <larryslist@...>

"Have you heard reports claiming that "California declares Ham Radio no longer a benefit, severs ties across state" and "CalFire is causing removal of ham radio emergency communications infrastructure from entire State of California?" Our ARRL Pacific Division Director, Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, offers the following facts that explain the issue that has arisen with few amateur repeaters on CalFire premises that have not properly identified their association with local emergency support.

"The State of California has not made any determination we can find 'that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit.' What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department. That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use and tenants. If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates."

"Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater. If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected."

"Their advice is not to elevate this to State Legislators or the Governor's office. In Southern California, wherein sites managed by the U.S. Forest Service have required repeater owners to post bonds to cover the dismantling of their sites if they cease operation. Negotiation has resulted in considerable easing of the original requirements and a modification of terms to help mitigate the short-term financial impact on those repeater owners."

73, Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, Pacific Division Director"

So lets PLEASE put this to bed…

Chuck Kraly, K0XM


Thanks, Chuck!
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From: Corey <kc0yns@...>
Date: 10/12/19 2:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: BCARES Group <>,

By the way I spoke two a couple 6 landers on Thursday using DMR repeater, When I brought this up to these guys it was confirmed. One told me they are going to lose 80 percent of their towers. In fact he also mentioned they didn’t allow much time to pull the equipment from the tower sites. One site was torn down and dozed.   They claimed the equipment wasn’t properly labled. & Owner couldn’t be found,     What a darn shame,   Corey 

On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 2:04 PM, kc0yns@... wrote:

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On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 10:34 AM, aar7dz@... <aar7dz@...> wrote:

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:28:40 +0000 (UTC)

California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit; Demands Ham radio repeater infrastructure to be Removed

Nation News Desk 10 October 2019 Hits: 9430
California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, demanding REMOVAL of Repeater sites from public property, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.
(First they cut electric, now they want to cut communications.  See what's actually going out out there?)
In a letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claim that “constantly changing technological advances� has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.
Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.

What is a Ham Radio Repeater

An amateur radio repeater system is a two-way radio system that takes weaker or low-level amateur radio signals and retransmits them at a higher level or higher power so that the radio signal can cover longer distances without degradation. It is a vital part of the local emergency communications system, and Ham Radio operators have been using them for decades to provide support during disasters that take out local communication infrastructure.

Why would they remove something that is the last line of defense during a disaster?

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision.
It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost.
Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.
Here's a good explanation from a HAM operator:
While paying billions of dollars a year to cater to illegal immigrants and welfare bums, California is now targeting hard-working Ham operators who provide critical and vital Disaster Emergency Communications. These people have absolutely lost their minds!

There is a nationwide effort to Kill Ham Radio

My off the grid ham radioEven most Hams haven’t taken notice, but in 2012 the federal government launched FirstNet, a public safety nationwide broadband network that many in the government think will make Ham radio operators obsolete. In reality, its nothing more than a $47 Billion Federal Cell Phone Network that itself is already obsolete. In fact, it needs LOTS of infrastructure to function, and it creates multiple, single points of failure.
The real story here is Ham Radio is a threat to the government. We make them look stupid! They spend billions on infrastructure that breaks down, while we can literally take a hundred bucks in equipment, some random wires, and in minutes set up a radio system that can communicate with anyone in the world.
Hell, I’ve used my kid’s slinky, some Television Coax Cable, and a solar battery system to build a mobile rig that I’ve used to talk to people around the world — You can check out the Radio Rig Here.
They don’t want the public to realize that we can take care of ourselves, and do a much better and cheaper job doing so!
Right now, government can shut off home telephones, cellular phones, the internet/email, but they can't shut off HAM Radio.  They can't control what is transmitted or who hears it.  Government doesn't like that.
California thinks it's going Communist.  China is heavily influencing public officials and public policy in that state; and quite a number of people think THIS shows they intend to INVADE, use California as a foothold, and move from there.   
Cutting-off American's ability to communicate would be very helpful in such an invasion situation.  California is now trying to achieve that.  
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     Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
    Thanks to the evil Dianne Feinstein and her scrawny husband major portions of California’s farm land and produce go to China. Mr. Trump got the Port of Long Beach back from the Chinese but it still leaves the Port of Los Angeles and the valuable inland Port of Stockton in Chinese control. I know that a lot of people are leaving, but I hope people will stay and fight for California. It would be better for the US. I also hope Mr. Trump will arrest the traitors in Sacramento. This year the attorney general of California banned AR-15s and implemented a “buybackâ€� as far as I know no guns have been turned in.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    Just declare war with China ...... ALL of their possessions and interests are forfeited .
        Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
        We do have guns Britered and we know how to use them.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    If Kaliphornians do not take up arms and throw out their dictators they deserve what is coming to destroy them ..............Oooops they don't have any arms ......oh, well
    HJ Richards · 9 hours ago
    From Alex Jones web site ....
    Doug Brown · 13 hours ago
    Two million without power in CA.
    Operation of Long Beach Port taken from the Chinese.
    Ham Radios declared obsolete.
    Hal, connect the dots for us.
    Is something bigger going on?
        Grim · 12 hours ago
        The treasonous Communists who run California are activating a plan they've been working on for years now, to remove the state from the US. Of course, they'll then invite their partners in this crime to come in and take possession and that partner is China. Thanks to China being given control of major US ports such as Long Beach years ago and our porous border, it's now estimated we might have as many as 5 million Communist Chinese nationals inside the country. Oh, and they've also been bringing their military equipment in through the ports for years, as well.

        What we're facing, is literally three things happening simultaneously. A foreign invasion through the UN and the Kigali principles treaty that Obama signed us onto in Dec 2016, which allows UN troops to occupy member nations at their discretion not ours, for *peacekeeping* purposes. We're also facing the kickoff of an engineered hot civil war and if that weren't enough, we'll probably see an economic collapse as well. The Federal Reserve began pumping $85 billion+ into the markets through the central banks every night a few weeks ago, but was supposed to end it sometime around Oct 10th. However, they just extended that date to at least mid-November and increased the amount to $150 billion per night. This should tell anyone that the markets are on the verge of total collapse.

        What all of this adds up to, is a multi-faceted plot to collapse and destroy our country and we're on the verge of it happening right now. Our government was infiltrated and taken over years ago and we're about to see the endgame of their plots coming to fruition. However, President Trump and other loyalists within what's left of our government and military are attempting to stop it, hence the military reserve call up the other day, massive military movements within the country and many other things happening.....Buckle up and get ready, because Hell's coming to breakfast....
        Read more
    HJ Richards · 13 hours ago
    There are almost as many Ham radios as operators as guns. The bigger issue we are all registered and licensed by the government, so they know all the operators and where our registered station is located. Most serious operators have equipment that can be deployed any where in a very short time. Don't fret ham radio will not go away and they know its useless to try.
    Grim · 16 hours ago
    Eliminating communications is one of the primary goals of an enemy before they commence the invasion.
        Joey Williams · 14 hours ago
        You are 100% correct.
    Robert Lyda · 16 hours ago
    WTF! This is criminal corruption! The radios are private property and shall not be infringed!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    Plus, they cant ban CB RADIOS.
    No license required for those.
        Judith Rollings · 17 hours ago
        No but they can decide to prohibit or limit the sale of them.
            MATTHEW DEGUMBIA · 15 hours ago
            That would be difficult to do. There are literally millions of them out there for sale at Truck Stops, Discount Stores, Flea Markets and private hands. I have three in my garage and have three more in the hands of truckers and ex-truckers. Time to dust them off and try them out!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    This is some bullshit. Hal, you are correct. They are trying to eliminate our sources of communication to control us. My blind uncle was a ham operator. He had a tower on the side of his house with a rotor. Here in the south, our weather service depends on trained storm and tornado spotters that communicate by ham radio. There is something bad coming to california because the stupid idiots know and wont tell the public.
    Jonathan Munday · 23 hours ago
    HAM radio is usually the only form of communication working after a disaster like a hurricane or tornado.


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