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Re: NanoVNA

Brad Wilmot
 

I’ve got one (was given to me), but the font is way too small for me (I’m legally blind), so I haven’t been able to really try it out yet (also, mine didn’t come with a battery, and I haven’t found one yet…)

I have an AA170, and I can read it, so unless someone comes up with legally-blind-friendly firmware for the nVNA, I’ll likely get rid of it.

 

Brad Wilmot

Systems Administrator

University Place Apartments

W0VHA

 

From: main@CMRA.groups.io <main@CMRA.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Swisher
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:16 AM
To: tims173@...; cmra@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CMRA] NanoVNA

 

Tim (and CMRA members),

 

The following is the observations and opinions of one quasi-literate and easily distracted ham radio operator:

1. Amazon is your friend, read the peoples' comments who take the time to rate their experiences;

2. The NanoVNA was a collaborative project with a really smart dude with a great idea. A cheap, easily manufactured piece of test equipment that can be improved upon without spending a fortune. The Chinese have taken low cost manufacturing to an art, often at the cost of component (and shielding) removal. There are several versions out there, Mine came with a battery and without shielding. I can take the time to add a diode for battery monitoring and shielding to improve RF isolation, it wasn't in my unit.

3. Don't expect the results that a $60k commercial Vector Network Analyzer will give, be realistic in the returns, and figure out ways to improve your interpretation of the results.

4.The firmware that shipped with my unit was hopelessly behind the curve on the capabilities that are currency offered. The small screen size and my lack of Superman vision led me to tie it into my laptop. To make that connection I had to learn to update firmware using Dfuse software (you'll learn about it later) across a USB in Windows 10. Each of these parts have many facets that could "brick" your new $50 investment.

5. Join the groups.io NanoVNA-users. Like drinking from a firehose, the secret is to slowly acclimate yourself to the environment then jump in. The knowledge base there is incredible, both technically and operationally. (Does the hardware allow this new measurement to be performed?)

6. Check out my 160 meter antenna sweep. It is a 65 foot grounded Rohn 25 with a three element Moseley TA-33M. Gamma shunt fed at 56 feet, the tri-bander acts as a capacitance hat. I had only a VSWR meter and a grid dip oscillator to find the resonant frequency of the tower. I guessed well, it appears.

Notice as well that VSWR(lower right) is a poor substitute for return loss(upper right), which is a much more accurate indication of antenna efficiency. I have worked 42 states and 8 countries on 160 using this antenna, and winter is around the corner!

Here is a phased pair of Cushcraft 11 element two meter yagis.

 

Two things to note: I may have had a aberrant measurement while I moved a feedline. The sweep took about 5 minutes. Ignore that and imagine a smoothed line. There are two different resonant frequencies of this system. It could be that I wasn't exact with the electrical lengths of my homebrew phasing harness, or the antennas may not be tune to the same point of resonance. Either way, increasing usable bandwidth across two meters is a good thing at my QTH.

 

I'm still learning how to use the other capabilities of the unit, including time domain reflectometry. Being able to spot cable faults, and reasonably measure length will save me time in the long run. If you want to expand your vocabulary in RF, which is a good thing, this is a good investment. When you figure out that you need lab grade measurements, this will be a fond memory.

I can put on a presentation that will leave CMRA glassy eyed and asleep if necessary. Alternatively, I might expose myself as a fraud on the RF expert level.

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM <tims173@...> wrote:

Chris,

Who did you buy your NanoVNA from.  I have looked on eBay and noticed there is quite a variety of combinations of pieces and parts from different sellers.

After testing it, do you still recommend it?

Thanks.

73

Tim E. Spurgeon
W0TES


Re: NanoVNA

Tim Spurgeon
 

Chris,

Thanks for the informative and humorous reply to my question, and thank you for buying the NanoVNA and investigating its performance.

73

Tim E. Spurgeon
W0TES

**************************************

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Swisher" <komu8ce@...>
To: tims173@..., cmra@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:15:39 AM
Subject: Re: NanoVNA

Tim (and CMRA members),

The following is the observations and opinions of one quasi-literate and
easily distracted ham radio operator:
1. Amazon is your friend, read the peoples' comments who take the time to
rate their experiences;
2. The NanoVNA was a collaborative project with a really smart dude with a
great idea. A cheap, easily manufactured piece of test equipment that can
be improved upon without spending a fortune. The Chinese have taken low
cost manufacturing to an art, often at the cost of component (and
shielding) removal. There are several versions out there, Mine came with a
battery and without shielding. I can take the time to add a diode for
battery monitoring and shielding to improve RF isolation, it wasn't in my
unit.
3. Don't expect the results that a $60k commercial Vector Network Analyzer
will give, be realistic in the returns, and figure out ways to improve your
interpretation of the results.
4.The firmware that shipped with my unit was hopelessly behind the curve on
the capabilities that are currency offered. The small screen size and my
lack of Superman vision led me to tie it into my laptop. To make that
connection I had to learn to update firmware using Dfuse software (you'll
learn about it later) across a USB in Windows 10. Each of these parts have
many facets that could "brick" your new $50 investment.
5. Join the groups.io NanoVNA-users. Like drinking from a firehose, the
secret is to slowly acclimate yourself to the environment then jump in. The
knowledge base there is incredible, both technically and operationally.
(Does the hardware allow this new measurement to be performed?)
6. Check out my 160 meter antenna sweep. It is a 65 foot grounded Rohn 25
with a three element Moseley TA-33M. Gamma shunt fed at 56 feet, the
tri-bander acts as a capacitance hat. I had only a VSWR meter and a grid
dip oscillator to find the resonant frequency of the tower. I guessed well,
it appears.
[image: NanoVNA160MVERT.jpg]
Notice as well that VSWR(lower right) is a poor substitute for return
loss(upper right), which is a much more accurate indication of antenna
efficiency. I have worked 42 states and 8 countries on 160 using this
antenna, and winter is around the corner!
Here is a phased pair of Cushcraft 11 element two meter yagis.
[image: NanoVNA2Mdual11elbeams.jpg]

Two things to note: I may have had a aberrant measurement while I moved a
feedline. The sweep took about 5 minutes. Ignore that and imagine a
smoothed line. There are two different resonant frequencies of this system.
It could be that I wasn't exact with the electrical lengths of my homebrew
phasing harness, or the antennas may not be tune to the same point of
resonance. Either way, increasing usable bandwidth across two meters is a
good thing at my QTH.

I'm still learning how to use the other capabilities of the unit, including
time domain reflectometry. Being able to spot cable faults, and reasonably
measure length will save me time in the long run. If you want to expand
your vocabulary in RF, which is a good thing, this is a good investment.
When you figure out that you need lab grade measurements, this will be a
fond memory.
I can put on a presentation that will leave CMRA glassy eyed and asleep if
necessary. Alternatively, I might expose myself as a fraud on the RF expert
level.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM <tims173@...> wrote:

Chris,

Who did you buy your NanoVNA from. I have looked on eBay and noticed
there is quite a variety of combinations of pieces and parts from different
sellers.

After testing it, do you still recommend it?

Thanks.

73

Tim E. Spurgeon
W0TES


Re: NanoVNA

dooda day
 

Thanks for these comments.  This is a nifty device, within its limits.

Dave

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:16 AM Chris Swisher <Komu8ce@...> wrote:
Tim (and CMRA members),

The following is the observations and opinions of one quasi-literate and easily distracted ham radio operator:
1. Amazon is your friend, read the peoples' comments who take the time to rate their experiences;
2. The NanoVNA was a collaborative project with a really smart dude with a great idea. A cheap, easily manufactured piece of test equipment that can be improved upon without spending a fortune. The Chinese have taken low cost manufacturing to an art, often at the cost of component (and shielding) removal. There are several versions out there, Mine came with a battery and without shielding. I can take the time to add a diode for battery monitoring and shielding to improve RF isolation, it wasn't in my unit.
3. Don't expect the results that a $60k commercial Vector Network Analyzer will give, be realistic in the returns, and figure out ways to improve your interpretation of the results.
4.The firmware that shipped with my unit was hopelessly behind the curve on the capabilities that are currency offered. The small screen size and my lack of Superman vision led me to tie it into my laptop. To make that connection I had to learn to update firmware using Dfuse software (you'll learn about it later) across a USB in Windows 10. Each of these parts have many facets that could "brick" your new $50 investment.
5. Join the groups.io NanoVNA-users. Like drinking from a firehose, the secret is to slowly acclimate yourself to the environment then jump in. The knowledge base there is incredible, both technically and operationally. (Does the hardware allow this new measurement to be performed?)
6. Check out my 160 meter antenna sweep. It is a 65 foot grounded Rohn 25 with a three element Moseley TA-33M. Gamma shunt fed at 56 feet, the tri-bander acts as a capacitance hat. I had only a VSWR meter and a grid dip oscillator to find the resonant frequency of the tower. I guessed well, it appears.
NanoVNA160MVERT.jpg
Notice as well that VSWR(lower right) is a poor substitute for return loss(upper right), which is a much more accurate indication of antenna efficiency. I have worked 42 states and 8 countries on 160 using this antenna, and winter is around the corner!
Here is a phased pair of Cushcraft 11 element two meter yagis.
NanoVNA2Mdual11elbeams.jpg

Two things to note: I may have had a aberrant measurement while I moved a feedline. The sweep took about 5 minutes. Ignore that and imagine a smoothed line. There are two different resonant frequencies of this system. It could be that I wasn't exact with the electrical lengths of my homebrew phasing harness, or the antennas may not be tune to the same point of resonance. Either way, increasing usable bandwidth across two meters is a good thing at my QTH.

I'm still learning how to use the other capabilities of the unit, including time domain reflectometry. Being able to spot cable faults, and reasonably measure length will save me time in the long run. If you want to expand your vocabulary in RF, which is a good thing, this is a good investment. When you figure out that you need lab grade measurements, this will be a fond memory.
I can put on a presentation that will leave CMRA glassy eyed and asleep if necessary. Alternatively, I might expose myself as a fraud on the RF expert level.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM <tims173@...> wrote:
Chris,

Who did you buy your NanoVNA from.  I have looked on eBay and noticed there is quite a variety of combinations of pieces and parts from different sellers.

After testing it, do you still recommend it?

Thanks.

73

Tim E. Spurgeon
W0TES


Re: NanoVNA

Chris Swisher
 

Tim (and CMRA members),

The following is the observations and opinions of one quasi-literate and easily distracted ham radio operator:
1. Amazon is your friend, read the peoples' comments who take the time to rate their experiences;
2. The NanoVNA was a collaborative project with a really smart dude with a great idea. A cheap, easily manufactured piece of test equipment that can be improved upon without spending a fortune. The Chinese have taken low cost manufacturing to an art, often at the cost of component (and shielding) removal. There are several versions out there, Mine came with a battery and without shielding. I can take the time to add a diode for battery monitoring and shielding to improve RF isolation, it wasn't in my unit.
3. Don't expect the results that a $60k commercial Vector Network Analyzer will give, be realistic in the returns, and figure out ways to improve your interpretation of the results.
4.The firmware that shipped with my unit was hopelessly behind the curve on the capabilities that are currency offered. The small screen size and my lack of Superman vision led me to tie it into my laptop. To make that connection I had to learn to update firmware using Dfuse software (you'll learn about it later) across a USB in Windows 10. Each of these parts have many facets that could "brick" your new $50 investment.
5. Join the groups.io NanoVNA-users. Like drinking from a firehose, the secret is to slowly acclimate yourself to the environment then jump in. The knowledge base there is incredible, both technically and operationally. (Does the hardware allow this new measurement to be performed?)
6. Check out my 160 meter antenna sweep. It is a 65 foot grounded Rohn 25 with a three element Moseley TA-33M. Gamma shunt fed at 56 feet, the tri-bander acts as a capacitance hat. I had only a VSWR meter and a grid dip oscillator to find the resonant frequency of the tower. I guessed well, it appears.
NanoVNA160MVERT.jpg
Notice as well that VSWR(lower right) is a poor substitute for return loss(upper right), which is a much more accurate indication of antenna efficiency. I have worked 42 states and 8 countries on 160 using this antenna, and winter is around the corner!
Here is a phased pair of Cushcraft 11 element two meter yagis.
NanoVNA2Mdual11elbeams.jpg

Two things to note: I may have had a aberrant measurement while I moved a feedline. The sweep took about 5 minutes. Ignore that and imagine a smoothed line. There are two different resonant frequencies of this system. It could be that I wasn't exact with the electrical lengths of my homebrew phasing harness, or the antennas may not be tune to the same point of resonance. Either way, increasing usable bandwidth across two meters is a good thing at my QTH.

I'm still learning how to use the other capabilities of the unit, including time domain reflectometry. Being able to spot cable faults, and reasonably measure length will save me time in the long run. If you want to expand your vocabulary in RF, which is a good thing, this is a good investment. When you figure out that you need lab grade measurements, this will be a fond memory.
I can put on a presentation that will leave CMRA glassy eyed and asleep if necessary. Alternatively, I might expose myself as a fraud on the RF expert level.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM <tims173@...> wrote:
Chris,

Who did you buy your NanoVNA from.  I have looked on eBay and noticed there is quite a variety of combinations of pieces and parts from different sellers.

After testing it, do you still recommend it?

Thanks.

73

Tim E. Spurgeon
W0TES


Re: NanoVNA

Fred Dittrich
 

Chris

Thanks for bird dogging this. I am happy with my AA-600 but at this almost pocket change price, I think anyone who has any question about what their antenna is doing and wants to know RIGHT NOW, this looks like a must to have in the shack.

73

Fred AE0FD



At 03:36 PM 10/22/2019, you wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2019/08/11/nanovna-is-a-50-vector-network-analyzer/

I couldn't stand it any longer, and ordered one of these for evaluation. It now is capable of 50 kHz to 1.5 gHz and supports time domain reflectometry, and talks to a Windows 10 or iOS laptop over the USB. Anyone else playing?


Re: NanoVNA

kc0pah
 

I am very curious about that device.  Please post a followup if it works well or very badly.

tia
Mike KC0PAH

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:36 PM Chris Swisher <Komu8ce@...> wrote:

I couldn't stand it any longer, and ordered one of these for evaluation. It now is capable of 50 kHz to 1.5 gHz and supports time domain reflectometry, and talks to a Windows 10 or iOS laptop over the USB. Anyone else playing?




NanoVNA

Chris Swisher
 


I couldn't stand it any longer, and ordered one of these for evaluation. It now is capable of 50 kHz to 1.5 gHz and supports time domain reflectometry, and talks to a Windows 10 or iOS laptop over the USB. Anyone else playing?


Cool Website that might be intersting to look at

Cody
 

Hey yall I found this cool website for may different things.  I looking to build a patch bay a certain way for some audio production for my small home studio I use for myself an came aross this website an thought I share it.  Lot cool parts an didn’t know if it might be helpful to anyone here.

https://www.amphenol.com/

 

 

Thanks From Cody Garrett,

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Win a DMR Radio from Bridgecom

AD0UK
 

Enter to win here:



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Brian
AD0UK


VE Testing

Jon Cole
 

Hello all,

Just a reminder that VE testing is tomorrow (Tuesday) night at 7:00 PM at the Lenoir Woods Community Center at 1 Hourigan Drive, Columbia, MO.

Jon Cole,N0OFJ
VE Liason


Re: HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED RELAY AS DESIRED

Cody
 

Cory a friend of.mine sent this to me after I showed him the email,W0KEH in KC
He said I could forward this to the group. He ask me to share this tho...
but make sure to say that it actually comes from K6JAT. Thanks hope this helps
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Laurance Staples <larrystaples@...>
Date: Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 16:47
Subject: [LarrysList] The FINAL word on the California not playing well with Hams debacle...
To: larrys list <larryslist@...>


"Have you heard reports claiming that "California declares Ham Radio no longer a benefit, severs ties across state" and "CalFire is causing removal of ham radio emergency communications infrastructure from entire State of California?" Our ARRL Pacific Division Director, Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, offers the following facts that explain the issue that has arisen with few amateur repeaters on CalFire premises that have not properly identified their association with local emergency support.

"The State of California has not made any determination we can find 'that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit.' What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department. That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use and tenants. If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates."

"Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater. If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected."

"Their advice is not to elevate this to State Legislators or the Governor's office. In Southern California, wherein sites managed by the U.S. Forest Service have required repeater owners to post bonds to cover the dismantling of their sites if they cease operation. Negotiation has resulted in considerable easing of the original requirements and a modification of terms to help mitigate the short-term financial impact on those repeater owners."

73, Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, Pacific Division Director"

So lets PLEASE put this to bed…

Chuck Kraly, K0XM
ckraly@...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks, Chuck!
_______________________________________________
To post a message to all the list members, send email directly to <larrystaples@...>



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-------- Original message --------
From: Corey <kc0yns@...>
Date: 10/12/19 2:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: BCARES Group <bcares@groups.io>, cmra@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CMRA] HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED RELAY AS DESIRED

By the way I spoke two a couple 6 landers on Thursday using DMR repeater, When I brought this up to these guys it was confirmed. One told me they are going to lose 80 percent of their towers. In fact he also mentioned they didn’t allow much time to pull the equipment from the tower sites. One site was torn down and dozed.   They claimed the equipment wasn’t properly labled. & Owner couldn’t be found,     What a darn shame,   Corey 




On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 2:04 PM, kc0yns@... wrote:






Begin forwarded message:

On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 10:34 AM, aar7dz@... <aar7dz@...> wrote:




Subject: HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED   RELAY AS DESIRED
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:28:40 +0000 (UTC)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
 
(source: stevequayle.com)

California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit; Demands Ham radio repeater infrastructure to be Removed

Nation News Desk 10 October 2019 Hits: 9430
11 Comments
California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, demanding REMOVAL of Repeater sites from public property, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.
(First they cut electric, now they want to cut communications.  See what's actually going out out there?)
In a letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claim that “constantly changing technological advances� has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.
Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.

What is a Ham Radio Repeater

An amateur radio repeater system is a two-way radio system that takes weaker or low-level amateur radio signals and retransmits them at a higher level or higher power so that the radio signal can cover longer distances without degradation. It is a vital part of the local emergency communications system, and Ham Radio operators have been using them for decades to provide support during disasters that take out local communication infrastructure.

Why would they remove something that is the last line of defense during a disaster?

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision.
It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost.
Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.
Here's a good explanation from a HAM operator:
While paying billions of dollars a year to cater to illegal immigrants and welfare bums, California is now targeting hard-working Ham operators who provide critical and vital Disaster Emergency Communications. These people have absolutely lost their minds!

There is a nationwide effort to Kill Ham Radio

My off the grid ham radioEven most Hams haven’t taken notice, but in 2012 the federal government launched FirstNet, a public safety nationwide broadband network that many in the government think will make Ham radio operators obsolete. In reality, its nothing more than a $47 Billion Federal Cell Phone Network that itself is already obsolete. In fact, it needs LOTS of infrastructure to function, and it creates multiple, single points of failure.
The real story here is Ham Radio is a threat to the government. We make them look stupid! They spend billions on infrastructure that breaks down, while we can literally take a hundred bucks in equipment, some random wires, and in minutes set up a radio system that can communicate with anyone in the world.
Hell, I’ve used my kid’s slinky, some Television Coax Cable, and a solar battery system to build a mobile rig that I’ve used to talk to people around the world — You can check out the Radio Rig Here.
They don’t want the public to realize that we can take care of ourselves, and do a much better and cheaper job doing so!
More importantly, THEY DON'T WANT AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE VIA METHODS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT SHUT OFF. 
Right now, government can shut off home telephones, cellular phones, the internet/email, but they can't shut off HAM Radio.  They can't control what is transmitted or who hears it.  Government doesn't like that.
California thinks it's going Communist.  China is heavily influencing public officials and public policy in that state; and quite a number of people think THIS shows they intend to INVADE, use California as a foothold, and move from there.   
Cutting-off American's ability to communicate would be very helpful in such an invasion situation.  California is now trying to achieve that.  
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     Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
    Thanks to the evil Dianne Feinstein and her scrawny husband major portions of California’s farm land and produce go to China. Mr. Trump got the Port of Long Beach back from the Chinese but it still leaves the Port of Los Angeles and the valuable inland Port of Stockton in Chinese control. I know that a lot of people are leaving, but I hope people will stay and fight for California. It would be better for the US. I also hope Mr. Trump will arrest the traitors in Sacramento. This year the attorney general of California banned AR-15s and implemented a “buybackâ€� as far as I know no guns have been turned in.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    Just declare war with China ...... ALL of their possessions and interests are forfeited .
        Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
        We do have guns Britered and we know how to use them.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    If Kaliphornians do not take up arms and throw out their dictators they deserve what is coming to destroy them ..............Oooops they don't have any arms ......oh, well
    HJ Richards · 9 hours ago
    From Alex Jones web site ....https://www.infowars.com/california-shutting-down-ham-radio-networks-despite-recent-wildfires-blackouts/
    Doug Brown · 13 hours ago
    Two million without power in CA.
    Operation of Long Beach Port taken from the Chinese.
    Ham Radios declared obsolete.
    Hal, connect the dots for us.
    Is something bigger going on?
        Grim · 12 hours ago
        The treasonous Communists who run California are activating a plan they've been working on for years now, to remove the state from the US. Of course, they'll then invite their partners in this crime to come in and take possession and that partner is China. Thanks to China being given control of major US ports such as Long Beach years ago and our porous border, it's now estimated we might have as many as 5 million Communist Chinese nationals inside the country. Oh, and they've also been bringing their military equipment in through the ports for years, as well.

        What we're facing, is literally three things happening simultaneously. A foreign invasion through the UN and the Kigali principles treaty that Obama signed us onto in Dec 2016, which allows UN troops to occupy member nations at their discretion not ours, for *peacekeeping* purposes. We're also facing the kickoff of an engineered hot civil war and if that weren't enough, we'll probably see an economic collapse as well. The Federal Reserve began pumping $85 billion+ into the markets through the central banks every night a few weeks ago, but was supposed to end it sometime around Oct 10th. However, they just extended that date to at least mid-November and increased the amount to $150 billion per night. This should tell anyone that the markets are on the verge of total collapse.

        What all of this adds up to, is a multi-faceted plot to collapse and destroy our country and we're on the verge of it happening right now. Our government was infiltrated and taken over years ago and we're about to see the endgame of their plots coming to fruition. However, President Trump and other loyalists within what's left of our government and military are attempting to stop it, hence the military reserve call up the other day, massive military movements within the country and many other things happening.....Buckle up and get ready, because Hell's coming to breakfast....
        Read more
    HJ Richards · 13 hours ago
    There are almost as many Ham radios as operators as guns. The bigger issue we are all registered and licensed by the government, so they know all the operators and where our registered station is located. Most serious operators have equipment that can be deployed any where in a very short time. Don't fret ham radio will not go away and they know its useless to try.
    Grim · 16 hours ago
    Eliminating communications is one of the primary goals of an enemy before they commence the invasion.
        Joey Williams · 14 hours ago
        You are 100% correct.
    Robert Lyda · 16 hours ago
    WTF! This is criminal corruption! The radios are private property and shall not be infringed!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    Plus, they cant ban CB RADIOS.
    No license required for those.
        Judith Rollings · 17 hours ago
        No but they can decide to prohibit or limit the sale of them.
            MATTHEW DEGUMBIA · 15 hours ago
            That would be difficult to do. There are literally millions of them out there for sale at Truck Stops, Discount Stores, Flea Markets and private hands. I have three in my garage and have three more in the hands of truckers and ex-truckers. Time to dust them off and try them out!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    This is some bullshit. Hal, you are correct. They are trying to eliminate our sources of communication to control us. My blind uncle was a ham operator. He had a tower on the side of his house with a rotor. Here in the south, our weather service depends on trained storm and tornado spotters that communicate by ham radio. There is something bad coming to california because the stupid idiots know and wont tell the public.
    Jonathan Munday · 23 hours ago
    HAM radio is usually the only form of communication working after a disaster like a hurricane or tornado.


 
 
 
 



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Re: HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED RELAY AS DESIRED

Corey
 

By the way I spoke two a couple 6 landers on Thursday using DMR repeater, When I brought this up to these guys it was confirmed. One told me they are going to lose 80 percent of their towers. In fact he also mentioned they didn’t allow much time to pull the equipment from the tower sites. One site was torn down and dozed.   They claimed the equipment wasn’t properly labled. & Owner couldn’t be found,     What a darn shame,   Corey 




On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 2:04 PM, kc0yns@... wrote:






Begin forwarded message:

On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 10:34 AM, aar7dz@... <aar7dz@...> wrote:




Subject: HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED   RELAY AS DESIRED
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:28:40 +0000 (UTC)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
 
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California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit; Demands Ham radio repeater infrastructure to be Removed

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California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, demanding REMOVAL of Repeater sites from public property, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.
(First they cut electric, now they want to cut communications.  See what's actually going out out there?)
In a letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claim that “constantly changing technological advances� has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.
Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.

What is a Ham Radio Repeater

An amateur radio repeater system is a two-way radio system that takes weaker or low-level amateur radio signals and retransmits them at a higher level or higher power so that the radio signal can cover longer distances without degradation. It is a vital part of the local emergency communications system, and Ham Radio operators have been using them for decades to provide support during disasters that take out local communication infrastructure.

Why would they remove something that is the last line of defense during a disaster?

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision.
It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost.
Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.
Here's a good explanation from a HAM operator:
While paying billions of dollars a year to cater to illegal immigrants and welfare bums, California is now targeting hard-working Ham operators who provide critical and vital Disaster Emergency Communications. These people have absolutely lost their minds!

There is a nationwide effort to Kill Ham Radio

My off the grid ham radioEven most Hams haven’t taken notice, but in 2012 the federal government launched FirstNet, a public safety nationwide broadband network that many in the government think will make Ham radio operators obsolete. In reality, its nothing more than a $47 Billion Federal Cell Phone Network that itself is already obsolete. In fact, it needs LOTS of infrastructure to function, and it creates multiple, single points of failure.
The real story here is Ham Radio is a threat to the government. We make them look stupid! They spend billions on infrastructure that breaks down, while we can literally take a hundred bucks in equipment, some random wires, and in minutes set up a radio system that can communicate with anyone in the world.
Hell, I’ve used my kid’s slinky, some Television Coax Cable, and a solar battery system to build a mobile rig that I’ve used to talk to people around the world — You can check out the Radio Rig Here.
They don’t want the public to realize that we can take care of ourselves, and do a much better and cheaper job doing so!
More importantly, THEY DON'T WANT AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE VIA METHODS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT SHUT OFF. 
Right now, government can shut off home telephones, cellular phones, the internet/email, but they can't shut off HAM Radio.  They can't control what is transmitted or who hears it.  Government doesn't like that.
California thinks it's going Communist.  China is heavily influencing public officials and public policy in that state; and quite a number of people think THIS shows they intend to INVADE, use California as a foothold, and move from there.   
Cutting-off American's ability to communicate would be very helpful in such an invasion situation.  California is now trying to achieve that.  
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     Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
    Thanks to the evil Dianne Feinstein and her scrawny husband major portions of California’s farm land and produce go to China. Mr. Trump got the Port of Long Beach back from the Chinese but it still leaves the Port of Los Angeles and the valuable inland Port of Stockton in Chinese control. I know that a lot of people are leaving, but I hope people will stay and fight for California. It would be better for the US. I also hope Mr. Trump will arrest the traitors in Sacramento. This year the attorney general of California banned AR-15s and implemented a “buybackâ€� as far as I know no guns have been turned in.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    Just declare war with China ...... ALL of their possessions and interests are forfeited .
        Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
        We do have guns Britered and we know how to use them.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    If Kaliphornians do not take up arms and throw out their dictators they deserve what is coming to destroy them ..............Oooops they don't have any arms ......oh, well
    HJ Richards · 9 hours ago
    From Alex Jones web site ....https://www.infowars.com/california-shutting-down-ham-radio-networks-despite-recent-wildfires-blackouts/
    Doug Brown · 13 hours ago
    Two million without power in CA.
    Operation of Long Beach Port taken from the Chinese.
    Ham Radios declared obsolete.
    Hal, connect the dots for us.
    Is something bigger going on?
        Grim · 12 hours ago
        The treasonous Communists who run California are activating a plan they've been working on for years now, to remove the state from the US. Of course, they'll then invite their partners in this crime to come in and take possession and that partner is China. Thanks to China being given control of major US ports such as Long Beach years ago and our porous border, it's now estimated we might have as many as 5 million Communist Chinese nationals inside the country. Oh, and they've also been bringing their military equipment in through the ports for years, as well.

        What we're facing, is literally three things happening simultaneously. A foreign invasion through the UN and the Kigali principles treaty that Obama signed us onto in Dec 2016, which allows UN troops to occupy member nations at their discretion not ours, for *peacekeeping* purposes. We're also facing the kickoff of an engineered hot civil war and if that weren't enough, we'll probably see an economic collapse as well. The Federal Reserve began pumping $85 billion+ into the markets through the central banks every night a few weeks ago, but was supposed to end it sometime around Oct 10th. However, they just extended that date to at least mid-November and increased the amount to $150 billion per night. This should tell anyone that the markets are on the verge of total collapse.

        What all of this adds up to, is a multi-faceted plot to collapse and destroy our country and we're on the verge of it happening right now. Our government was infiltrated and taken over years ago and we're about to see the endgame of their plots coming to fruition. However, President Trump and other loyalists within what's left of our government and military are attempting to stop it, hence the military reserve call up the other day, massive military movements within the country and many other things happening.....Buckle up and get ready, because Hell's coming to breakfast....
        Read more
    HJ Richards · 13 hours ago
    There are almost as many Ham radios as operators as guns. The bigger issue we are all registered and licensed by the government, so they know all the operators and where our registered station is located. Most serious operators have equipment that can be deployed any where in a very short time. Don't fret ham radio will not go away and they know its useless to try.
    Grim · 16 hours ago
    Eliminating communications is one of the primary goals of an enemy before they commence the invasion.
        Joey Williams · 14 hours ago
        You are 100% correct.
    Robert Lyda · 16 hours ago
    WTF! This is criminal corruption! The radios are private property and shall not be infringed!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    Plus, they cant ban CB RADIOS.
    No license required for those.
        Judith Rollings · 17 hours ago
        No but they can decide to prohibit or limit the sale of them.
            MATTHEW DEGUMBIA · 15 hours ago
            That would be difficult to do. There are literally millions of them out there for sale at Truck Stops, Discount Stores, Flea Markets and private hands. I have three in my garage and have three more in the hands of truckers and ex-truckers. Time to dust them off and try them out!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    This is some bullshit. Hal, you are correct. They are trying to eliminate our sources of communication to control us. My blind uncle was a ham operator. He had a tower on the side of his house with a rotor. Here in the south, our weather service depends on trained storm and tornado spotters that communicate by ham radio. There is something bad coming to california because the stupid idiots know and wont tell the public.
    Jonathan Munday · 23 hours ago
    HAM radio is usually the only form of communication working after a disaster like a hurricane or tornado.


 
 
 
 



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Subject: HAM RADIO NO LONGER NEEDED   RELAY AS DESIRED
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:28:40 +0000 (UTC)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
 
(source: stevequayle.com)

California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit; Demands Ham radio repeater infrastructure to be Removed

Nation News Desk 10 October 2019 Hits: 9430
11 Comments
California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, demanding REMOVAL of Repeater sites from public property, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.
(First they cut electric, now they want to cut communications.  See what's actually going out out there?)
In a letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claim that “constantly changing technological advances� has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.
Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.

What is a Ham Radio Repeater

An amateur radio repeater system is a two-way radio system that takes weaker or low-level amateur radio signals and retransmits them at a higher level or higher power so that the radio signal can cover longer distances without degradation. It is a vital part of the local emergency communications system, and Ham Radio operators have been using them for decades to provide support during disasters that take out local communication infrastructure.

Why would they remove something that is the last line of defense during a disaster?

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision.
It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost.
Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.
Here's a good explanation from a HAM operator:
While paying billions of dollars a year to cater to illegal immigrants and welfare bums, California is now targeting hard-working Ham operators who provide critical and vital Disaster Emergency Communications. These people have absolutely lost their minds!

There is a nationwide effort to Kill Ham Radio

My off the grid ham radioEven most Hams haven’t taken notice, but in 2012 the federal government launched FirstNet, a public safety nationwide broadband network that many in the government think will make Ham radio operators obsolete. In reality, its nothing more than a $47 Billion Federal Cell Phone Network that itself is already obsolete. In fact, it needs LOTS of infrastructure to function, and it creates multiple, single points of failure.
The real story here is Ham Radio is a threat to the government. We make them look stupid! They spend billions on infrastructure that breaks down, while we can literally take a hundred bucks in equipment, some random wires, and in minutes set up a radio system that can communicate with anyone in the world.
Hell, I’ve used my kid’s slinky, some Television Coax Cable, and a solar battery system to build a mobile rig that I’ve used to talk to people around the world — You can check out the Radio Rig Here.
They don’t want the public to realize that we can take care of ourselves, and do a much better and cheaper job doing so!
More importantly, THEY DON'T WANT AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE VIA METHODS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT SHUT OFF. 
Right now, government can shut off home telephones, cellular phones, the internet/email, but they can't shut off HAM Radio.  They can't control what is transmitted or who hears it.  Government doesn't like that.
California thinks it's going Communist.  China is heavily influencing public officials and public policy in that state; and quite a number of people think THIS shows they intend to INVADE, use California as a foothold, and move from there.   
Cutting-off American's ability to communicate would be very helpful in such an invasion situation.  California is now trying to achieve that.  
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     Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
    Thanks to the evil Dianne Feinstein and her scrawny husband major portions of California’s farm land and produce go to China. Mr. Trump got the Port of Long Beach back from the Chinese but it still leaves the Port of Los Angeles and the valuable inland Port of Stockton in Chinese control. I know that a lot of people are leaving, but I hope people will stay and fight for California. It would be better for the US. I also hope Mr. Trump will arrest the traitors in Sacramento. This year the attorney general of California banned AR-15s and implemented a “buybackâ€� as far as I know no guns have been turned in.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    Just declare war with China ...... ALL of their possessions and interests are forfeited .
        Madeleine Mead · 7 hours ago
        We do have guns Britered and we know how to use them.
    BriteRED · 8 hours ago
    If Kaliphornians do not take up arms and throw out their dictators they deserve what is coming to destroy them ..............Oooops they don't have any arms ......oh, well
    HJ Richards · 9 hours ago
    From Alex Jones web site ....https://www.infowars.com/california-shutting-down-ham-radio-networks-despite-recent-wildfires-blackouts/
    Doug Brown · 13 hours ago
    Two million without power in CA.
    Operation of Long Beach Port taken from the Chinese.
    Ham Radios declared obsolete.
    Hal, connect the dots for us.
    Is something bigger going on?
        Grim · 12 hours ago
        The treasonous Communists who run California are activating a plan they've been working on for years now, to remove the state from the US. Of course, they'll then invite their partners in this crime to come in and take possession and that partner is China. Thanks to China being given control of major US ports such as Long Beach years ago and our porous border, it's now estimated we might have as many as 5 million Communist Chinese nationals inside the country. Oh, and they've also been bringing their military equipment in through the ports for years, as well.

        What we're facing, is literally three things happening simultaneously. A foreign invasion through the UN and the Kigali principles treaty that Obama signed us onto in Dec 2016, which allows UN troops to occupy member nations at their discretion not ours, for *peacekeeping* purposes. We're also facing the kickoff of an engineered hot civil war and if that weren't enough, we'll probably see an economic collapse as well. The Federal Reserve began pumping $85 billion+ into the markets through the central banks every night a few weeks ago, but was supposed to end it sometime around Oct 10th. However, they just extended that date to at least mid-November and increased the amount to $150 billion per night. This should tell anyone that the markets are on the verge of total collapse.

        What all of this adds up to, is a multi-faceted plot to collapse and destroy our country and we're on the verge of it happening right now. Our government was infiltrated and taken over years ago and we're about to see the endgame of their plots coming to fruition. However, President Trump and other loyalists within what's left of our government and military are attempting to stop it, hence the military reserve call up the other day, massive military movements within the country and many other things happening.....Buckle up and get ready, because Hell's coming to breakfast....
        Read more
    HJ Richards · 13 hours ago
    There are almost as many Ham radios as operators as guns. The bigger issue we are all registered and licensed by the government, so they know all the operators and where our registered station is located. Most serious operators have equipment that can be deployed any where in a very short time. Don't fret ham radio will not go away and they know its useless to try.
    Grim · 16 hours ago
    Eliminating communications is one of the primary goals of an enemy before they commence the invasion.
        Joey Williams · 14 hours ago
        You are 100% correct.
    Robert Lyda · 16 hours ago
    WTF! This is criminal corruption! The radios are private property and shall not be infringed!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    Plus, they cant ban CB RADIOS.
    No license required for those.
        Judith Rollings · 17 hours ago
        No but they can decide to prohibit or limit the sale of them.
            MATTHEW DEGUMBIA · 15 hours ago
            That would be difficult to do. There are literally millions of them out there for sale at Truck Stops, Discount Stores, Flea Markets and private hands. I have three in my garage and have three more in the hands of truckers and ex-truckers. Time to dust them off and try them out!
    Joey Williams · 22 hours ago
    This is some bullshit. Hal, you are correct. They are trying to eliminate our sources of communication to control us. My blind uncle was a ham operator. He had a tower on the side of his house with a rotor. Here in the south, our weather service depends on trained storm and tornado spotters that communicate by ham radio. There is something bad coming to california because the stupid idiots know and wont tell the public.
    Jonathan Munday · 23 hours ago
    HAM radio is usually the only form of communication working after a disaster like a hurricane or tornado.


 
 
 
 



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the best men rot in filthy jails,
And those who cried ‘appease, appease’
Are hanged by those they tried to please.�
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Tuskegee Airman's 332nd Fighter Group,
 


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ZK3A - Tokelau Islands Dxpedition - Oct. 1-11 - good example of a well-run Dxpedition

John Beatty
 

If you have ever wanted to experience or try your luck at contacting a "workable" Dxpedition in Columbia,  it probably won't get any better than this one.  18 ops with very good skills will be working all modes and bands, including EME beginning Oct. 1. Because they are very experienced they will be patient and efficient, but also quick.  You will be able to hear them in Columbia with a modest station as they are using kw stations. 

They also plan to work Fox-Hound digital FT8.  If you plan to try Fox-Hound aka F/H,  (I am going to try), please read their guidelines on their web page.  Link below.

https://tokelau2019.com/ft8-operating-guidelines

https://tokelau2019.com/

I worked the "advance team" this morning on 20 cw.  I have an inverted-L up 22 feet at the highest and 100 watts.

Have fun.  73 
John - NO0I


Re: CW Trainers Ultra PicoKeyer Built.

Gary Vaught - W9TIG
 

Very good info, Bryan.  Thanks for the input.

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Best Regards,
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On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Bryan Nehl <k0emt@...> wrote:
Yes, the ultra pico keyer from hamgadgets is nice.
Make sure to set it up for iambic B operation.
When you adjust the sidetone down to around 700hz you'll find you need to use head phones or an external amplified speaker.  The built in piezo just can't produce the lower frequencies.

Once you get your building skills up, the QRP Labs QCX includes a CW decode on transmit capability.  It also can be set up for "practice" mode where it won't send out any RF.  It can be an eye opener to see what the rig says you are sending.  https://www.qrp-labs.com/qcx.html

73

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Re: CW Trainers Ultra PicoKeyer Built.

Bryan Nehl <k0emt@...>
 

Yes, the ultra pico keyer from hamgadgets is nice.
Make sure to set it up for iambic B operation.
When you adjust the sidetone down to around 700hz you'll find you need to use head phones or an external amplified speaker.  The built in piezo just can't produce the lower frequencies.

Once you get your building skills up, the QRP Labs QCX includes a CW decode on transmit capability.  It also can be set up for "practice" mode where it won't send out any RF.  It can be an eye opener to see what the rig says you are sending.  https://www.qrp-labs.com/qcx.html

73

Bryan, k0emt



Re: Ultra PicoKeyers received Thursday afternoon.

Jim Lawler
 

Tim,

Page 11 of this link purports to show the pinout of your accesory conector:

Connector

73, Jim / WY0B

On 9/23/2019 2:34 PM, Tim Spurgeon wrote:
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Re: Ultra PicoKeyers received Thursday afternoon.

Tim Spurgeon
 

Bryan (K0EMT):

My handitalky is a Baofeng UV5R; they traditionally have very little documentation. Thanks for the information.

73

Tim
(W0TES)

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 10:45:58 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] Ultra PicoKeyers received Thursday afternoon.

Tim,

On the ham gadgets page for the Ultra picokeyer is a downloads tab with a link to a PDF manual.
Here is a direct link: http://www.hamgadgets.com/index.php?route=product/download/download&download_id=94 <http://www.hamgadgets.com/index.php?route=product/download/download&download_id=94>

On page 8 it talks about using the keyer in MCW mode. That’s “modulated CW” mode. Or, a way to send the sound of the morse code. This section talks about how to connect the keyer to your HT. If your HT has anything in its documentation about hooking up to a TNC (like you would for packet radio or APRS) that would be the circuit to follow.

I’m going to have to look into making a cable to use with my HT.

73 de Bryan, k0emt

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