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[LarrysList] FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Amateur License Fees

AD0UK
 

Thought this would be of interest to you - got this from Larry's List.  Please take a look it refers to the proposed fee for getting our Licenses and renewals.


73

Brian
ADØUK

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From: W0AIB - Larry Staples via groups.io <larrystaples=mac.com@groups.io>
Date: Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:15 AM
Subject: [LarrysList] FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Amateur License Fees
To: FYI larryslist <FYI@larryslist.groups.io>





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> From: ARRL Members Only Web site <memberlist@...>
> Date: October 15, 2020 at 20:47:41 CDT
> To: larrystaples@...
> Subject: FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Amateur License Fees
>
> Dear ARRL Members of the Midwest Division,
>
> The fees Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published in this morning’s
> Federal Register (https://tinyurl.com/yyk8f2yp).  The deadline for
> Comments is November 16, and the deadline for Reply Comment is November
> 30.  I urge you to first read the Notice at this link and then submit
> your comments opposing this proposed fee for amateur licensing actions.
>
> You may submit comments, identified by MD Docket No. 20-270, by either
> of the following methods:
>
> Federal Communications Commission's Website: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/.
> Follow the instructions for submitting comments.
>
> People With Disabilities: Contact the FCC to request reasonable
> accommodations (accessible format documents, sign language interpreters,
> CART, etc.) by email: FCC504@... or phone: 202-418-0530 or TTY:
> 202-418-0432.
>
> The following information, provided by ARRL General Counsel, David
> Siddall, K3ZJ, is provided to facilitate your comments to the FCC:
>
> Good Arguments Against FCC Fees for Radio Amateurs
>
> 1.    Amateurs contribute to the public good. In many areas they provide an
> emergency communications backbone capability at no taxpayer cost.
> Consistently we have witnessed storms and natural disasters completely
> wipe out internet, cellular, and other means of communication.  Radio
> amateurs often fill that void on an unmatched, flexible basis when
> needed.  One recent example is the California wildfires.
>
> 2.    Unlike operators in other FCC licensed services, Amateur Radio
> operators by law – domestic and international -- must eschew using
> their license for any pecuniary interest.  Amateurs are prohibited from
> earning or charging any money for any communications activity.  The
> expenses for their equipment and activities come out of their own
> pockets, with no opportunity for reimbursement or payment of any kind.
>
> 3.    The United States is experiencing a severe lack of RF engineers and
> expertise at the very time it is needed by the burgeoning wireless
> industries.  Amateur radio is helping to meet the deficit, but much more
> is needed and youngsters (High School and College-aged) are least able
> to afford licensing fees.  RF knowledge and related digital expertise is
> needed to maintain U.S. leadership in wireless industries.  At a
> minimum, young people (below the age of 26) should be exempt from the
> proposed license fees.
>
> 4.    Amateur radio is self-regulating.  (a) Amateur examinations are
> written and administered by radio amateur volunteers.  (b) Examination
> results and paperwork most often are submitted electronically to the
> FCC.  Electronic submission could be required if there would be a cost
> savings to the Commission.  (c) Amateur radio educational classes are
> conducted by volunteers who by-and-large do not charge fees or tuition
> for teaching.  (d) The amateur service, in cooperation with the FCC’s
> Enforcement Bureau, has a volunteer core that monitors the amateur
> airwaves with programs that try to prevent their misuse before FCC
> involvement might be needed.  The amateurs also observe non-amateur
> signals, both within amateur spectrum and outside it, and report unusual
> or suspicious signals.
>
> 5.    Amateur radio continues to be a source of significant technological
> innovation that should be encouraged, not discouraged.
>
> Some Additional Suggestions
>
> •    I do not recommend arguing that the $50 fee every 10 years, which
> amounts to $5.00 a year, will “kill” amateur radio, even though as
> proposed this is for each covered application, which includes upgrade
> applications.  Tech-General-Extra could be $150, if exams were taken at
> different sessions, would be a substantial amount.  But it “rings”
> the wrong way to say the whole service turns on $5/year for each
> licensee.
>
> •    The Commission argues that the charges are required by the statute.
> The word used is “shall”, which is mandatory, not optional.  But the
> statute does not set the amount, nor does it prohibit reasonable
> exceptions – evidenced by the Commission’s proposal to exempt from
> fees administrative update applications based on policy grounds.
>
> •    This is not “aimed at amateur radio to kill it.”  There is a
> long history and precedent on charging fees for the licensing service
> involved, just as there is for passports, green cards, driver licenses
> (issued by states), etc.  Better to make pertinent arguments on why the
> fees would impair the public benefits of the amateur radio service than
> argue that the whole service might die as a result of a fee that, in
> fact, is less than the fee many of us paid in the 1960’s and 1970’s,
> including myself as a struggling high school and college student (if
> adjusted for inflation).
>
> •    For background: this proceeding is being handled by FCC staff
> unfamiliar with amateur radio.  It is being handled in the FCC’s
> Office of Managing Director (OMD), not in the Wireless
> Telecommunications Bureau where the amateur-specific Part 97 matters are
> handled.  The focus of OMD is accounting – budgets and the like for
> the entire Commission.  The fee proposals cover every FCC license and
> service across the board and the consideration was directed by Congress.
> I recommend keeping “ham jargon” out of your comments as it won’t
> be understood by the intended recipients.
>
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Mitrek decks — FREE

Bryan Nehl <k0emt@...>
 

I have 2 10m mitrek decks. One head, one set of crystals. They were originally intended for a 10m repeater project that didn’t work out.

Anyone want them?

72 de Bryan, k0emt


Re: CMRA - Member at Large Position ****VOTE NOW****

Myron Kern
 




On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:39 AM, AD0UK <kc0sjs@...> wrote:


Group,

  If you are an active, paid member then please ensure you respond to k0si@... with your vote for the member at large position - The following candidates are on the roster:

Paul Watt - KEØIKG
Ernest Shaw - KEØEZE

Please submit your votes for one of these fine candidates as soon as possible, I need to get the final count before the meeting tomorrow night.


73,

Brian
ADØUK
President, CMRA


Re: CMRA - Member at Large Position ****VOTE NOW****

Ralph Howard
 

Ernist

 

Ralph Howard

WD6BGN

 

From: main@CMRA.groups.io <main@CMRA.groups.io> on behalf of AD0UK <kc0sjs@...>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 10:39:25 AM
To: main@cmra.groups.io <main@cmra.groups.io>
Subject: [CMRA] CMRA - Member at Large Position ****VOTE NOW****

 

Group,

 

  If you are an active, paid member then please ensure you respond to k0si@... with your vote for the member at large position - The following candidates are on the roster:

 

Paul Watt - KEØIKG

Ernest Shaw - KEØEZE

 

Please submit your votes for one of these fine candidates as soon as possible, I need to get the final count before the meeting tomorrow night.

 

 

73,

 

Brian

ADØUK

President, CMRA


Re: CMRA - Member at Large Position ****VOTE NOW****

Myron Kern
 

Brian,
This is a difficult choice.  My vote is for Ernest, KE0EZE.
Myron,
W0ZH


On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:39 AM, AD0UK <kc0sjs@...> wrote:


Group,

  If you are an active, paid member then please ensure you respond to k0si@... with your vote for the member at large position - The following candidates are on the roster:

Paul Watt - KEØIKG
Ernest Shaw - KEØEZE

Please submit your votes for one of these fine candidates as soon as possible, I need to get the final count before the meeting tomorrow night.


73,

Brian
ADØUK
President, CMRA


CMRA - Member at Large Position ****VOTE NOW****

AD0UK
 

Group,

  If you are an active, paid member then please ensure you respond to k0si@... with your vote for the member at large position - The following candidates are on the roster:

Paul Watt - KEØIKG
Ernest Shaw - KEØEZE

Please submit your votes for one of these fine candidates as soon as possible, I need to get the final count before the meeting tomorrow night.


73,

Brian
ADØUK
President, CMRA


October VE Testing Questions

Jon Cole
 

Hello all,

Because of COVID causing us to have outdoor exam sessions, I would like to hold this month’s test session at 6:00 PM (an hour earlier than usual) at a shelter at Cosmo Park. Hopefully the weather will be cooperative. Are enough VEs able to do that?

Also, we still need an indoor location to safely administer testing. If anyone has any good ideas, I would be happy to hear them.


Jon Cole, N0OFJ
VE Liaison


Re: N0UBC/SK

Jon Cole
 

I haven’t seen Don in a while, but he will be missed.

Jon Cole, N0OFJ

On Oct 7, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Fred Dittrich <fdittric@gmail.com> wrote:

John

I'm sorry to hear about Don's passing. He was an air traffic controller and shared many interesting stories with us including managing an emergency landing during an air show where he had to signal to the emergency vehicles to not use light and sirens to avoid causing alarm amongst the attendees.

73

Fred AE0FD


At 07:27 AM 10/7/2020, you wrote:
Some of you will remember Don Scism, N0UBC. He was active in CMRA for several years and held the net manager post for a couple of years. He gave me rides to club meetings for quite a while. We almost always went to Country Kitchen before the meeting. Bill, WB0MAF, often joined us there, as did a few others. Don never lacked for stories to tell about his adventurous life experiences.


My son Nathan, KC0LCS, sent me the link to Don's obituary, which he saw on Facebook.


RIP, N0UBC.


https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/columbia-mo/donald-scism-9373447


73,


John, KC0HSB



--
This message came to you from
John Wesley Smith
kc0hsb@centurytel.net
Find musings of an eclectic pilgrim at
https://johnwesleysmith.com/









Re: N0UBC/SK

Fred Dittrich
 

John

I'm sorry to hear about Don's passing. He was an air traffic controller and shared many interesting stories with us including managing an emergency landing during an air show where he had to signal to the emergency vehicles to not use light and sirens to avoid causing alarm amongst the attendees.

73

Fred AE0FD

At 07:27 AM 10/7/2020, you wrote:
Some of you will remember Don Scism, N0UBC. He was active in CMRA for several years and held the net manager post for a couple of years. He gave me rides to club meetings for quite a while. We almost always went to Country Kitchen before the meeting. Bill, WB0MAF, often joined us there, as did a few others. Don never lacked for stories to tell about his adventurous life experiences.


My son Nathan, KC0LCS, sent me the link to Don's obituary, which he saw on Facebook.


RIP, N0UBC.


https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/columbia-mo/donald-scism-9373447


73,


John, KC0HSB



--
This message came to you from
John Wesley Smith
kc0hsb@centurytel.net
Find musings of an eclectic pilgrim at
https://johnwesleysmith.com/





N0UBC/SK

John W. Smith
 

Some of you will remember Don Scism, N0UBC. He was active in CMRA for several years and held the net manager post for a couple of years. He gave me rides to club meetings for quite a while. We almost always went to Country Kitchen before the meeting. Bill, WB0MAF, often joined us there, as did a few others. Don never lacked for stories to tell about his adventurous life experiences.


My son Nathan, KC0LCS, sent me the link to Don's obituary, which he saw on Facebook.


RIP, N0UBC.


https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/columbia-mo/donald-scism-9373447


73,


John, KC0HSB



--
This message came to you from
John Wesley Smith
kc0hsb@centurytel.net
Find musings of an eclectic pilgrim at
https://johnwesleysmith.com/


Re: Question

paul watt
 

Yes thanks Gary, that is what I was thinking too.  My dad was a ham back in the 70s and I grew up learning about the hobby and now I am licensed.  I've read many countless articles in QST over the years and have never heard or read anything about a potential 4th amendment violation.  At the same time I don't claim to be an expert authority on ham radio or the laws governing our hobby so I wanted to throw it out there and see what others thought.

Paul KE0IKG

On Oct 6, 2020 21:05, Gary Vaught - W9TIG <gdv.pops@...> wrote:
I don't see anything in this article that points to a specific regulation or requirement that is tantamount to giving up our 4th Amendment rights.  It all seems very vague and hearsay to me, without further information.

Honestly, it looks like there's an opportunity for this guy to apply a loose interpretation of something and try to develop a class action suit, which would mean lot's o' cash for him and hams basically being pawns.

But I'm paranoid about people offering services to solve a problem that I didn't know I had.

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous



On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 7:09 PM paul watt <pbw65@...> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this before?  The link below suggests as licensed hams we are giving up our 4th amendment freedom.. That's news to me.  I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.
Thanks and 73
Paul KE0IKG



--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught


Re: Question

Gary Vaught - W9TIG
 

I don't see anything in this article that points to a specific regulation or requirement that is tantamount to giving up our 4th Amendment rights.  It all seems very vague and hearsay to me, without further information.

Honestly, it looks like there's an opportunity for this guy to apply a loose interpretation of something and try to develop a class action suit, which would mean lot's o' cash for him and hams basically being pawns.

But I'm paranoid about people offering services to solve a problem that I didn't know I had.

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous



On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 7:09 PM paul watt <pbw65@...> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this before?  The link below suggests as licensed hams we are giving up our 4th amendment freedom.. That's news to me.  I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.
Thanks and 73
Paul KE0IKG



--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught


Question

paul watt
 


Has anyone heard of this before?  The link below suggests as licensed hams we are giving up our 4th amendment freedom.. That's news to me.  I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.
Thanks and 73
Paul KE0IKG


https://pacificlegal.org/the-fccs-ham-radio-license-requirements-are-unconstitutional-its-time-to-fight-back/


Re: ISS Sighting Detector (App Store and Google Play) - "ISS Detector"

John Beatty
 

Hi Bill,  using the settings on the ap, you can select All passes or only visible passes.  And it tells you the quality for visibility, inbound and outbound direction.   I just have the app set for all passes using Columbia, MO and it seems to work fine.

 

On the ARISS.Org page I couldn’t find a newsletter or blog or alert thingy where I could capture the SSTV announcements among other activity.  This time I got lucky using my dual bander in the house.  It is set to scan most of the time and 145.8 is a channel that alerted me.

 

I have just accessed a free service on the web (https://visualping.io) that will alert me by email when content changes on ARISS.org.   If there is an alert on this type of activity on this web page it will let me know when data changes on ARISS.org (and I need to go an take a look).  I’ll keep looking for other ways. 

 

There are some good visual passes today.  The event is through Oct. 8.

 

Good luck Bill

 

From: main@CMRA.groups.io <main@CMRA.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McFarland - N0AXZ
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2020 9:29 PM
To: Central Missouri Radio Association <main@cmra.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CMRA] ISS Sighting Detector (App Store and Google Play) - "ISS Detector"

 

John,

thanks for reminding us of the ISS photo show. Does the Detector app only show passes where we would likely see it out the window? There may be several good passes over us in the daylight that, although we couldn't see it,  we need to know about for these SSTV images. Last time I was aware of the SSTV transmissions from the ISS, I just set up the radio and computer and left it going for 24 hours, and got some good downloads that way.

Good luck,

bill

 

On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 1:31 PM John Beatty <jebeatty@...> wrote:

"ISS Detector" is a free app for iPhone and Android with alerts and many features.  

John - NO0I


 

--

Bill N0AXZ


Re: ISS Sighting Detector (App Store and Google Play) - "ISS Detector"

Bill McFarland - N0AXZ
 

John,
thanks for reminding us of the ISS photo show. Does the Detector app only show passes where we would likely see it out the window? There may be several good passes over us in the daylight that, although we couldn't see it,  we need to know about for these SSTV images. Last time I was aware of the SSTV transmissions from the ISS, I just set up the radio and computer and left it going for 24 hours, and got some good downloads that way.
Good luck,
bill

On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 1:31 PM John Beatty <jebeatty@...> wrote:
"ISS Detector" is a free app for iPhone and Android with alerts and many features.  

John - NO0I



--
Bill N0AXZ


Re: ISS Sighting Detector (App Store and Google Play) - "ISS Detector"

paul watt
 

Cool app, thanks John
Paul. KE0IKG

On Oct 4, 2020 13:31, John Beatty <jebeatty@...> wrote:
"ISS Detector" is a free app for iPhone and Android with alerts and many features.  

John - NO0I


ISS Sighting Detector (App Store and Google Play) - "ISS Detector"

John Beatty
 

"ISS Detector" is a free app for iPhone and Android with alerts and many features.  

John - NO0I


ISS SSTV

John Beatty
 

Images will be downlinked at 145.8 (+/- 3 KHz for Doppler shift).  SSTV operation mode is expected to be PD120.   You can read more at ARISS.Org.  My Ham Radio Deluxe is decoding it.  You can also use MMSSTV located at https://hamsoft.ca/pages/mmsstv.php

Good luck, John - NO0I


Re: SET 2020

Byron Sherman
 

Bill, I occasionally use Winlink, and I make many mistakes.  But if I can participate without interfering with others, I would like to have a go at it, at least to monitor. 

Wes Sherman. AB0SE 


Sent from my Sprint Phone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Bill McFarland - N0AXZ <billmcfarland10@...>
Date: 10/3/20 19:44 (GMT-06:00)
To: cmra@groups.io, BCARES Group <bcares@groups.io>
Subject: [CMRA] SET 2020

Group,

Our annual Simulated Emergency Test (SET) will be held in conjunction with the Boone County Office of Emergency Management (OEM) on November 14. Also the nation-wide Red Cross EmComm drill will be going on that day.

This year there will be an option of operating from your home QTH, due to COVID restrictions. We will be emphasizing the use of Winlink for sending forms. Operation from a Red Cross designated shelter will be, as in the past,  our other option. Those operators will not be inside the shelter building, or interacting with any shelter volunteers. (The buildings will likely be locked) We will be operating mobile, or portable (fixed antenna) from the parking lots.

So far I have the following volunteers:

AA0B, AC0MP, AD0ZE, K0MIZ, K0PHP, KC0EZE, KE0BTC, KE5BTC, N0AXZ, N0OFJ, NO0I, WD6BGN, W0TES.

If you have a couple hours on Saturday morning, November 14, a VHF/UHF radio, and an interest in participating with other hams in practicing procedures we might want to use in responding to emergencies in Boone County where our radio capabilities could be used, then we would like to have you join the exercise. But I need to have you "registered" into the exercise so I can plan what you will need to do. If you have never used Winlink (email by radio) we would like to help you get started with this mode. If you have packet radio, or FLdigi experience working at your station, then you have the hardware needed to get into the Winlink system. We could offer a Zoom training session in the near future if there seems to be a need. If you choose to operate from home, then we would like to use that event to move you to getting a true emergency power capability so we can report all stations were on emergency power. (You could do this by operating from your car/truck in your driveway, if nothing else:)

So I am hoping to get a few more volunteers for the 2020 SET. Let me know if you can "play". After this week, I will just be communicating plans, etc. with the interest group only, so as not to clog up this email reflector.

Stay safe, 73,

--
Bill N0AXZ


Re: SET 2020

Ryan Raney
 

Sign me up Bill, ke5sui


On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 7:45 PM Bill McFarland - N0AXZ <billmcfarland10@...> wrote:
Group,

Our annual Simulated Emergency Test (SET) will be held in conjunction with the Boone County Office of Emergency Management (OEM) on November 14. Also the nation-wide Red Cross EmComm drill will be going on that day.

This year there will be an option of operating from your home QTH, due to COVID restrictions. We will be emphasizing the use of Winlink for sending forms. Operation from a Red Cross designated shelter will be, as in the past,  our other option. Those operators will not be inside the shelter building, or interacting with any shelter volunteers. (The buildings will likely be locked) We will be operating mobile, or portable (fixed antenna) from the parking lots.

So far I have the following volunteers:

AA0B, AC0MP, AD0ZE, K0MIZ, K0PHP, KC0EZE, KE0BTC, KE5BTC, N0AXZ, N0OFJ, NO0I, WD6BGN, W0TES.

If you have a couple hours on Saturday morning, November 14, a VHF/UHF radio, and an interest in participating with other hams in practicing procedures we might want to use in responding to emergencies in Boone County where our radio capabilities could be used, then we would like to have you join the exercise. But I need to have you "registered" into the exercise so I can plan what you will need to do. If you have never used Winlink (email by radio) we would like to help you get started with this mode. If you have packet radio, or FLdigi experience working at your station, then you have the hardware needed to get into the Winlink system. We could offer a Zoom training session in the near future if there seems to be a need. If you choose to operate from home, then we would like to use that event to move you to getting a true emergency power capability so we can report all stations were on emergency power. (You could do this by operating from your car/truck in your driveway, if nothing else:)

So I am hoping to get a few more volunteers for the 2020 SET. Let me know if you can "play". After this week, I will just be communicating plans, etc. with the interest group only, so as not to clog up this email reflector.

Stay safe, 73,

--
Bill N0AXZ

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