CMRA and BCARES brothers and sisters:

Medical Hope is coming -

For the past couple of weeks, I have been watching efforts to find a medical solution to the Wuhan Virus. First
on Youtube, then on the news, then it popped up during the Vice President's daily update, three days ago.

The French started a human trial, more than two weeks ago, and are reporting very positive results. The study
is entitled, "Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin (Z-pak) as a treatment of Covid-19: results of an open label
non-randomized clinical trial." The combination of both drugs produces 100 percent cure in five days compared
to a control group that was still testing positive over the same time period. But the fantastic news is that both
drugs are already FDA approved, and President Trump is already having the FDA evaluate this for Wuhan
Virus application. This came up during his press conference, a couple of days ago.

Ten thousand units of this drug have already been sent to New York city, and they begin using it today. We should
start hearing results in about one week.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been used in New Orleans to benefit critical cases, and last night Laura
Ingraham interviewed a doctor that has applied the above mentioned drugs to 350 patients.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug, developed after WW-II, and it and Azithromycin are cheap,
off patent drugs, whose efficacy and side effects are well know

So, "keep the faith." Good news is coming soon, and we are going to beat this pandemic.

73

Tim (W0TES)

For any operations other than Part 97 (Amateur), that is correct. Some Wouxouns are Part 90 Type accepted, but none are Part 95 (GMRS) or Part 97 type accepted that I am aware of. I would be very careful on possessing any radio that transmits on emergency response agencies frequencies, but that is my opinion. Again, the radio itself is not illegal, but operation on unlicensed frequencies with non-type accepted transmitters is illegal.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:15 PM Boback <RNAckerman@...> wrote:

It is my understand that if it does not have a FCC number displayed, it is illegal.

On 3/24/2020 11:51 AM, Chris Swisher wrote:

Mike,

Could you show me where the Baofeng is illegal?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mike Morgan <cavecritter@...> wrote:

I recommend the Wouxun. The Beofeng is illegal. You might invest in the longest antenna you can find. 73', km0mvr.

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From: "Gary Vaught - W9TIG" <gdv.pops@...>
To: main@cmra.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] This was really great thanks

I'd suggest asking around the guys in the club/group.  A lot of the guys who have been doing this for a couple of years (or decades) have HTs and mobiles that they might let go for under a couple hundred dollars.  I got my first HT from a club member, and added an aftermarket antenna - it served me well for a couple of years as long as I stayed within transmit range of the repeater.

The $35 Baofeng looks appealing, but you really need to know what you're doing there or it can encourage some undesirable habits.

But that's all just my opinion.  Welcome to amateur radio!!!

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:16 AM James Wiles <wilesjw@...> wrote:

Being newly Hammed, and looking for a dual band radio,this Baofeng is appealing because I they’re cheap. But I guess you get what you pay for.  I want to make the right choice and not buy junk.  I don’t understand harmonics, but this article explains some of it, and now I’m think or looking at this Wouxun KG-UV9D, please if you have suggestions and where to buy, it would be most appreciated. I don’t have a call sign yet but I go by JW and my email address is wilesjw@...

Thanks

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

For any operations other than Part 97 (Amateur), that is correct. Some Wouxouns are Part 90 Type accepted, but none are Part 95 (GMRS) or Part 97 type accepted that I am aware of. I would be very careful on possessing any radio that transmits on emergency response agencies frequencies, but that is my opinion. Again, the radio itself is not illegal, but operation on unlicensed frequencies with non-type accepted transmitters is illegal.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:15 PM Boback <RNAckerman@...> wrote:

It is my understand that if it does not have a FCC number displayed, it is illegal.

On 3/24/2020 11:51 AM, Chris Swisher wrote:

Mike,

Could you show me where the Baofeng is illegal?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mike Morgan <cavecritter@...> wrote:

I recommend the Wouxun. The Beofeng is illegal. You might invest in the longest antenna you can find. 73', km0mvr.

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From: "Gary Vaught - W9TIG" <gdv.pops@...>
To: main@cmra.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] This was really great thanks

I'd suggest asking around the guys in the club/group.  A lot of the guys who have been doing this for a couple of years (or decades) have HTs and mobiles that they might let go for under a couple hundred dollars.  I got my first HT from a club member, and added an aftermarket antenna - it served me well for a couple of years as long as I stayed within transmit range of the repeater.

The $35 Baofeng looks appealing, but you really need to know what you're doing there or it can encourage some undesirable habits.

But that's all just my opinion.  Welcome to amateur radio!!!

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:16 AM James Wiles <wilesjw@...> wrote:

Being newly Hammed, and looking for a dual band radio,this Baofeng is appealing because I they’re cheap. But I guess you get what you pay for.  I want to make the right choice and not buy junk.  I don’t understand harmonics, but this article explains some of it, and now I’m think or looking at this Wouxun KG-UV9D, please if you have suggestions and where to buy, it would be most appreciated. I don’t have a call sign yet but I go by JW and my email address is wilesjw@...

Thanks

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

Mike,

Could you show me where the Baofeng is illegal?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mike Morgan <cavecritter@...> wrote:

I recommend the Wouxun. The Beofeng is illegal. You might invest in the longest antenna you can find. 73', km0mvr.

---

From: "Gary Vaught - W9TIG" <gdv.pops@...>
To: main@cmra.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] This was really great thanks

I'd suggest asking around the guys in the club/group.  A lot of the guys who have been doing this for a couple of years (or decades) have HTs and mobiles that they might let go for under a couple hundred dollars.  I got my first HT from a club member, and added an aftermarket antenna - it served me well for a couple of years as long as I stayed within transmit range of the repeater.

The $35 Baofeng looks appealing, but you really need to know what you're doing there or it can encourage some undesirable habits.

But that's all just my opinion.  Welcome to amateur radio!!!

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:16 AM James Wiles <wilesjw@...> wrote:

Being newly Hammed, and looking for a dual band radio,this Baofeng is appealing because I they’re cheap. But I guess you get what you pay for.  I want to make the right choice and not buy junk.  I don’t understand harmonics, but this article explains some of it, and now I’m think or looking at this Wouxun KG-UV9D, please if you have suggestions and where to buy, it would be most appreciated. I don’t have a call sign yet but I go by JW and my email address is wilesjw@...

Thanks

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

I have looked into the law in the past, when I bought my fist Baofeng  from overseas.  Unless the law has since changed:  it is (was, anyway) quite legal to own and operate (including transmit).  It was legal to acquire one, used or new from overseas.  You're on your own to avoid the illegal frequencies.  

It was and is illegal for a USA-based dealer to sell one, however.  Baofeng responded by putting in the required transmit restrictions for sale to American dealers, who could then of course sell them.  They continued to sell the unmodified version to any individual, by international mail. 

In fact, any domestic radio (like  Kenwoods) are easily modified for that.  Mine all are so modified because I participate in both MARS and SHARES, both of which use non-FCC frequencies.  The Civil Air Patrol also does this, and there are many websites that tell you how to do the "MARS/CAP" mod as they call it.

In summary, there are good and compelling reasons for "out of frequency" radios owned by amateur operators.  The FCC restrictions help keep inexperienced operators out of trouble, but the myth of "illegality" is just that; a myth.

Hope this helps.  Not intended to annoy or contradict anybody, just trying to supply some relevant facts.  If my info is outdated, somebody please supply corrections and bring me up to date.

Hank KD0BVQ NCS583 AAR7OB 

泰 勒

大胡子

On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gary Vaught - W9TIG <gdv.pops@...> wrote:

Wow, Chris.  You just like poking the bear, don't you?

My understanding is that SOME of the Baofeng models do not PREVENT you from transmitting in certain, prohibited frequencies.  In other words, they will allow you to transmit on frequencies where it is illegal for amateur license operators to transmit.  I've read a few articles, and a lot of opinions, which say that this makes the radio illegal.  I'm not a lawyer and I've not seen a conclusive ruling from the FCC, but I do believe there is a difference between the radio being illegal and the radio allowing an uninformed or malicious operator to perform an illegal act.

Again, my 2 Lincolns

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Chris Swisher <Komu8ce@...> wrote:

Mike,

Could you show me where the Baofeng is illegal?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mike Morgan <cavecritter@...> wrote:

I recommend the Wouxun. The Beofeng is illegal. You might invest in the longest antenna you can find. 73', km0mvr.

---

From: "Gary Vaught - W9TIG" <gdv.pops@...>
To: main@cmra.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] This was really great thanks

I'd suggest asking around the guys in the club/group.  A lot of the guys who have been doing this for a couple of years (or decades) have HTs and mobiles that they might let go for under a couple hundred dollars.  I got my first HT from a club member, and added an aftermarket antenna - it served me well for a couple of years as long as I stayed within transmit range of the repeater.

The $35 Baofeng looks appealing, but you really need to know what you're doing there or it can encourage some undesirable habits.

But that's all just my opinion.  Welcome to amateur radio!!!

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:16 AM James Wiles <wilesjw@...> wrote:

Being newly Hammed, and looking for a dual band radio,this Baofeng is appealing because I they’re cheap. But I guess you get what you pay for.  I want to make the right choice and not buy junk.  I don’t understand harmonics, but this article explains some of it, and now I’m think or looking at this Wouxun KG-UV9D, please if you have suggestions and where to buy, it would be most appreciated. I don’t have a call sign yet but I go by JW and my email address is wilesjw@...

Thanks

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

Wow, Chris.  You just like poking the bear, don't you?

My understanding is that SOME of the Baofeng models do not PREVENT you from transmitting in certain, prohibited frequencies.  In other words, they will allow you to transmit on frequencies where it is illegal for amateur license operators to transmit.  I've read a few articles, and a lot of opinions, which say that this makes the radio illegal.  I'm not a lawyer and I've not seen a conclusive ruling from the FCC, but I do believe there is a difference between the radio being illegal and the radio allowing an uninformed or malicious operator to perform an illegal act.

Again, my 2 Lincolns

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Chris Swisher <Komu8ce@...> wrote:

Mike,

Could you show me where the Baofeng is illegal?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mike Morgan <cavecritter@...> wrote:

I recommend the Wouxun. The Beofeng is illegal. You might invest in the longest antenna you can find. 73', km0mvr.

---

From: "Gary Vaught - W9TIG" <gdv.pops@...>
To: main@cmra.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] This was really great thanks

I'd suggest asking around the guys in the club/group.  A lot of the guys who have been doing this for a couple of years (or decades) have HTs and mobiles that they might let go for under a couple hundred dollars.  I got my first HT from a club member, and added an aftermarket antenna - it served me well for a couple of years as long as I stayed within transmit range of the repeater.

The $35 Baofeng looks appealing, but you really need to know what you're doing there or it can encourage some undesirable habits.

But that's all just my opinion.  Welcome to amateur radio!!!

-
Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

We can engineer a solution to nearly any problem you can accurately define.

- somewhat anonymous

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:16 AM James Wiles <wilesjw@...> wrote:

Being newly Hammed, and looking for a dual band radio,this Baofeng is appealing because I they’re cheap. But I guess you get what you pay for.  I want to make the right choice and not buy junk.  I don’t understand harmonics, but this article explains some of it, and now I’m think or looking at this Wouxun KG-UV9D, please if you have suggestions and where to buy, it would be most appreciated. I don’t have a call sign yet but I go by JW and my email address is wilesjw@...

Thanks

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

--
73
W9TIG

Gary Vaught

On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:40, Chris Swisher <Komu8ce@...> wrote:



...and a little knowledge is often worse than no knowledge at all. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/health/arizona-coronavirus-chloroquine-death/index.html

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:28 AM Tim Spurgeon <tims173@...> wrote:

CMRA and BCARES brothers and sisters:

Gary and Hank asked for references, so here is the one from France.  The Fox News articles you can look up on the past few days of Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingraham nightly programs.

The link is as follows; make sure and look at the graph on the last page of the pdf:

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

73

Tim (W0TES)
"Expecting the best; prepared for the worst."

********************************************************

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim & Susan Spurgeon" <tims173@...>
To: "main" <main@CMRA.groups.io>, "main" <main@bcares.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:45:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CMRA] Some Good News

CMRA and BCARES brothers and sisters:

Medical Hope is coming -

For the past couple of weeks, I have been watching efforts to find a medical solution to the Wuhan Virus.  First
on Youtube, then on the news, then it popped up during the Vice President's daily update, three days ago.

The French started a human trial, more than two weeks ago, and are reporting very positive results.  The study
is entitled, "Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin (Z-pak) as a treatment of Covid-19: results of an open label
non-randomized clinical trial."  The combination of both drugs produces 100 percent cure in five days compared
to a control group that was still testing positive over the same time period.  But the fantastic news is that both
drugs are already FDA approved, and President Trump is already having the FDA evaluate this for Wuhan
Virus application.  This came up during his press conference, a couple of days ago.

Ten thousand units of this drug have already been sent to New York city, and they begin using it today.  We should
start hearing results in about one week.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been used in New Orleans to benefit critical cases, and last night Laura
Ingraham interviewed a doctor that has applied the above mentioned drugs to 350 patients.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug, developed after WW-II, and it and Azithromycin are cheap,
off patent drugs, whose efficacy and side effects are well know

So, "keep the faith."  Good news is coming soon, and we are going to beat this pandemic.

73

Tim (W0TES)